Ask Idealware: CiviCRM and CiviMember
Dan asks: I serve on the Technology Advisory Counsel of a San Francisco-based Arts non-profit. We are currently researching software to support our organization's membership management needs as the bulk of our constituents are "members" as opposed to pure "donors". A couple questions: First, is CiviCRM and CiviMember ready for prime time? We are willing to invest time and money into the initial set-up of these systems, but are concerned about the stability of the initial feature set. Any comment on how much momentum is behind CiviCRM? Also want to get your opinion as to how "integrateable" CiviCRM & CivMember are with say white-label social networking software and/or custom applications (we are looking to build apps that involve fairly advanced data integration and UI such as uploading pictures of art work and other artist information during the registration process).Michelle Murrain, Principal of MetaCentric Technology Advising, Steering Committee of the Nonprofit Open Source Initiative, and Zen of NPTech blog, says:
CiviCRM is right now pretty young - it's got a fairly strong base of features, but it's not yet near the feature set, maturity or stability of other major CRM platforms, unfortunately. It has the advantage of being open source, but the APIs aren't well developed yet. It works with either Drupal or Joomla, both of which can be integrated with other things -but that could take a lot of work, depending on what you were trying to integrate.
Anyway, there is some adoption momentum. It does have a broad user base, and there is a lot of development going on. Many organizations seem to be finding it up to their task.
One thing is that you'd need to make sure that the detailed requirements you have match up with the requirements that CiviCRM has, and what might need to be built. It's critical that no matter what decision you make, that you've generated a document that makes it possible to know for sure what features you absolutely need.
CiviMember is totally integrated with CiviCRM (it comes with the basic install, which is nice), but it's honestly, er, well, rudimentary, as a membership management tool. Basically, it allows you to have an unlimited number of different membership chapters and types, and assign people to those chapters and types. And people can sign themselves up (or you can sign them up). And, well, that's just about it. Members are individuals in CiviCRM, so all of that functionality goes with it - but a *real* membership management package it isn't. So it totally depends how important sophisticated membership management is to you.
All of that said, the acquisition cost of CiviCRM is nonexistant, it has the advantage of being open source, and therefore adoption of CiviCRM and any ways that you get involved in the community has broad benefit. There are quite a number of Drupal specialists out there right now who can implement it for you - I'd say that if the feature set matches your requirements, it might be worth a try.
I think CiviCRM will be around for a while, but it is still pretty nascent. Ready for prime time? That depends on what your needs are. Definitely go in with your eyes open. But then, that's true with any software choice.
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To add some data:
First, is CiviCRM and CiviMember ready for prime time?
- Existing users, installed base (4500 groups in 2006) and community size are outlined in our 2006 Year End Review. We are anticipating similar growth in 2007.
- According to Sourceforge, CiviCRM is running about 4-5K downloads per month. Note that downloads is not necessarily the same as actual users, but its correlated.
- The best way to assess this is to talk with groups who are using the solution. You can connect with them on the forums at http://forum.civicrm.org/
Any comment on how much momentum is behind CiviCRM?
- Some of the information above is relevant.
- We put on about 100 new members in the forum each month.
- You can also check out the sourceforge download data.
how "integrateable" CiviCRM & CivMember are
- Again talk to people that have done it.
- Alternatively talk to some of the companies that do custom CiviCRM development.
First, is CiviCRM and CiviMember ready for prime time?
We have some fairly large orgs using CiviCRM (Amnesty International, Green Party of CA, NZ, Wikimedia Foundation) etc. I suspect that would classify us as being ready for prime time
Any comment on how much momentum is behind CiviCRM?
Check the forum traffic to get an idea. Check our blog, our release schedule, frequency of releases etc to get a better idea.
I'm a bit interested and would like more detail on Michelle's "CiviMember" comment. I would agree that it is pretty elementary, but would love to see a spec/description with all the the "other" membership features detailed / described (or pointers to such documents). We are not domain experts in these areas and rely a lot on the community for spec'ing some of these components in more detail.
Note that a fair amount of the functionality has been built by "consulting" contracts where an organization wants general features added to make CiviCRM more powerful and useful. Our 1.9 release has been funded significanly by such a contract. I suspect we will have a "CiviMember" and "CiviEvent" focussed releases in 2008
I think this part of lobo's comments is key:
"Note that a fair amount of the functionality has been built by "consulting" contracts where an organization wants general features added to make CiviCRM more powerful and useful. Our 1.9 release has been funded significanly by such a contract."
This is the beauty and power of free and open source software. Every software package has to start somewhere - and when people adopt an open source project, and, better yet, help pay for what they want from it if it doesn't exist yet (instead of ponying up that money for a proprietary package) *everyone* benefits.
I never know how to answer "ready for prime time" questions. Street corner amateur night it is not. The Metropolitan Opera it is not. But it is readier for prime time than, say, Britney Spears, and there she is right in the spotlight.
Michelle is right that you need to be more specific about your development plans. Everything is "integrate-able" except when you get to that foggy brick wall, any proprietary app billing itself as totally integrate-able has its own brick walls, shrouded in fog.
I think it is worth using, but you'd do well to ask a lot of questions as you are setting it up. Layout your plan for how you're going to use it and the kinds of searches you need to be able to do now and later and ask for some feedback.
If you don't have competent technology assistance in house, you're going to need someone to set it up and help you over humps as you go, but my sense is that this is true for almost any database package you might be considering.
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